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You can find the "invoice" price on the http://www.edmunds.com website. The invoice price is the one price that is closest to the wholesale price the dealer paid to the manufacturer. Sometimes the dealership gets a little manufacturer-to-dealership money when they sell some cars, but this is very difficult to find out as they usually keep it secret and might deny it exists. However, the wholesale invoice price, if you get that in a deal, with rebates subtracting even more from that price, is usually about the best one can do. It depends on whether or not the vehicle is in great demand or not. If I pay the invoice price for what I want I feel pretty good. On the edmunds site, click on "new cars", then select the make and model, surfing away until you start to see specific prices for specific models of cars.
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