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Asked: Jul 09, 2008 - 08:15 AM

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Is "water4gas" fuel optimizer a crock? Does it work? Does it ruin your engine?

"water4gas" is a conversion system to increase your gas mileage. it's being touted all over the web. does it work?

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texases

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 09:46 PM

Just to be sure, I spent the last half hour reviewing the web site. Nothing's changed - you can't get free energy out of a car's electrical system. If you're using the electricity to make hydrogen, you only get 20% (at most) of the energy back as mechanical energy when you burn the hydrogen. It's that simple. And the thought that some simple dime-store electrical parts will greatly improve the car's complex computer-controlled engine is worse than nonsense. They also talk about using xylene or acetone, which have no demonstrated benefits and can damage the fuel system components. Finally, they continually refer to HHO as some different form of matter. Sorry, can't re-write the chemistry books, it's just hydrogen and oxygen. If all this were true, all those engineers at the world's car companies would have to be fired for missing such a simple solution to the world's energy problems! Sorry, it's just not true.

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texases

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 11:34 AM

Absolutely it's a crock. Using engine power to split water to make hydrogen is a losing proposition, it takes far more energy to split the water than you get back in motor power, at least 5 times more, as a matter of fact. Avoid it.

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mr_shiftright

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 11:39 AM

Everything points to it being a pyramid marketing scheme as well as full of really shoddy science.

Using the car's own alternator as the source of energy suggests, once again, the old perpetual motion machine.

All you get is instructions on how to build "the device" as well as some actually good gas-saving tips that you can do without buying anything from anybody.


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patrick88

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 11:43 AM

One of our students at the local autotech course built one of these Hydro steups and is currently getting about 25% better mileage. (don't quote me on that, it's only been 3 weeks and they are still collecting data and checking if anything else has changed to cause this improvement i.e. driving habits, etc.. but it has shown an improvement) This isn't bad considering he built it and cost was very low ($75 tops). Only time will tell. I've heard from others saying they are getting between 10 to 45% better and I've others say no change at all. I'll let all know when they finish the elvauation and report in the next 60 days.

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dazedonlooker

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 04:39 PM

I have installed a water4gas conversion kit on my 2007 Jeep Cherokee it has a flex fuel option. I was getting around 15 mpg gal average and I adjusted my driving habbits and got it up to 21 mpg average highway and city combined driving. After installing the water4gas kit I am up to 33mpg average highway/city combined. I get 34 to 42 mpg highway. with my V8 engine. I also have a small 2007 Aereo Suzuki that I am installing a kit on and I am expecting to get as high as 60mpg after installing this kit. the kit instructions cost me 99.00. they say you can get the items needed to build the unit for 50.00 I had a hard time with that it ended up costing closer to 100.00 in supplies but I do have enough supplies to build two units. I will be invested a little over 200.00 for both cars and a little labor.

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texases

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 09:46 PM

Just to be sure, I spent the last half hour reviewing the web site. Nothing's changed - you can't get free energy out of a car's electrical system. If you're using the electricity to make hydrogen, you only get 20% (at most) of the energy back as mechanical energy when you burn the hydrogen. It's that simple. And the thought that some simple dime-store electrical parts will greatly improve the car's complex computer-controlled engine is worse than nonsense. They also talk about using xylene or acetone, which have no demonstrated benefits and can damage the fuel system components. Finally, they continually refer to HHO as some different form of matter. Sorry, can't re-write the chemistry books, it's just hydrogen and oxygen. If all this were true, all those engineers at the world's car companies would have to be fired for missing such a simple solution to the world's energy problems! Sorry, it's just not true.

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tedebear

Date: Jul 09, 2008
Time: 10:58 PM

"One of our students at the local autotech course built one of these Hydro steups and is currently getting about 25% better mileage."

I'd be willing to bet that the kit comes with some suggestions about driving conservatively, avoiding jackrabbit starts, etc. If someone does those thing they are going to see an improvement in their mileage without doing any engine mods.

This reminds me of some of the magic diet supplements that tell the person to take their product, followed by a proper diet and exercise. Of course you'll lose weight by doing that alone. The supplement didn't cause it.

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patrick88

Date: Jul 10, 2008
Time: 12:04 AM

T,
The kits probably do come with that, but this person built the hydro kit (or whatever it's called) from a plan she copied from somewhere and scratch built it. Yeah I remember those diet scams do you remember the ones from the 60's and 70's/80's, crazy. Driving habits will definately improve the precentage, but we'll see after the preliminary report and results. I'm not expecting too much. She did state that at first she changed her driving habits but then went back to her usual driving to provide a fair reading.

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steve_

Date: Jul 19, 2008
Time: 01:18 AM

The kit consists of a mason jar and some baking soda hooked up to your battery "which take EXCESS energy out of the car's battery or alternator (in other words very low current that the engine does not feel) and use this electricity to generate a very small amount of Hydrogen per minute. What that Hydrogen does is help split the gasoline/air mixture droplets into a finer mist - thus helping it burn more efficiently and more completely."

"This has been around for years, but it didn't work back then and it won't work now," Dr. Frank said. "It's such a very small amount of hydrogen-oxygen gas that it is impossible to have any real effect on combustion."

Photos and a more complete debunking can be found at the Consumer Affairs.com website.

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jonbyrd

Date: Jul 30, 2008
Time: 12:52 AM

I am so surprised to always see so many negative comments about this. Listen people, there is no money required for this technology, but it's still been kept alive, BECAUSE IT WORKS.

Honestly, just go build yourself an electrolyzer and test it out in your garage, here is a free ebook that will help you build one: http://www.waterfuelkit.net

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ozzky

Date: Nov 08, 2008
Time: 04:48 AM

you must change your question, this should be your question "how to have it?" because it really works.. to know more info about these hydro power cars follow this link
http://gaspricerelief.net/

Source: http://gaspricerelief.net/

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