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Asked: Jan 22, 2008 - 11:46 AM

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Shady Dishonest Unethical Insurance Company's

Has anyone else out there dealt with truly dishonest, shady, deliberately unethical insurance companies? I was a bit young and unknowledgeable once upon a time and believed that Insurance companies existed to actually help people in times of crisis. Unfortunately, in my multiple (2 claims; yes, I should have learned my lesson after the first one) with Bristol West underwritten by Coast National Insurance and issued by agents at Eastwood Insurnace, I was unable to find a single employee that was competent, honest, straightforward, ethical, or helpful. Or if I did find such employee, they were instructed by management not to speak with me about my cases/claims. The employees chose the dispicable path and compromised their own ethics in order to listen to their bosses demands (and save their own hides and jobs I assume?).

The first claim was one where our vehicle purchased only 2 months earlier (used) was stolen. This means we had just joined this insurance company 2 months earlier (and the agent took photos of a perfectly in tact vehicle in good condition). It was recovered by a police stop/arrest about 2.5 weeks later but with significant body and paint damage. The slow appraisal process, the automatic pre-determined marking of "prior existing damage," so that you have to appeal the appraisal and then waste/stall 2 more weeks. So it was over 4 weeks (since the vehicle was recovered) until the vehicle was even approved properly and correctly for repair at their chosen body shop! Then the body shop did shady work.

Second claim was denied for uninsured property damage when an uninsured hit our car from the rear. They said we didn't have UMPD, but only UMBI. I stated that I had asked for the coverage of $3,500 on UMPD verbally in person twice, over the phone (3rd attempt), by fax (4th and final attempt) and they just had an admitted "examiner error" as they called it. So they claimed to have never added or charged me for UMPD, which is technically correct, but in CA they are required to provide it if it is asked for! I made 4 requests, and one of them was in writing with a fax confirmation (which of course I kept knowing how incompetent they were and something might happen in the future, which it did).

Are there other insurance companies out there like this, or did I just find the worst agents at Eastwood, the worst insurance company at Bristol West, and the worst underwrite in Coast National Insurance?

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ewilfong

Date: Jan 22, 2008
Time: 03:28 PM

I'm sure there are plenty of shoddy insurance companies around. You'll even got poor treatment from bigger names sometimes, so there's no guarantee. I've had very good experiences with State Farm and Geico, but they're not immune from complaints.

I don't know California law, but you might look in to their Deceptive Trade Practices Act (or equivalent), as well as the California Insurance Code. Specifically, look up unfair insurance practices (or something similar) and see if any of your experiences, especially the denial, fit the code language at all. If so, consider calling an attorney specializing in insurance law. Or, if you don't feel comfortable reading statutes, just call an attorney anyway. Many will consult for free. I'm not a big fan of litigation, but really despicable business practices should be addressed.

Source: I'm an attorney (not, of course, in CA).

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ewilfong

Date: Jan 22, 2008
Time: 03:28 PM

I'm sure there are plenty of shoddy insurance companies around. You'll even got poor treatment from bigger names sometimes, so there's no guarantee. I've had very good experiences with State Farm and Geico, but they're not immune from complaints.

I don't know California law, but you might look in to their Deceptive Trade Practices Act (or equivalent), as well as the California Insurance Code. Specifically, look up unfair insurance practices (or something similar) and see if any of your experiences, especially the denial, fit the code language at all. If so, consider calling an attorney specializing in insurance law. Or, if you don't feel comfortable reading statutes, just call an attorney anyway. Many will consult for free. I'm not a big fan of litigation, but really despicable business practices should be addressed.

Source: I'm an attorney (not, of course, in CA).

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mr_shiftright

Date: Jan 23, 2008
Time: 05:40 PM

The automobile insurance industry is in a disgraceful state, for the most part. You can file a claim with the State Insurance Board, but don't hold your breath. I'd get an attorney and sue them for bad faith. The only way to hurt them is in the pocketbook. Appealing to fairness or justice is not going to work. Don't take it personally. Insurance companies don't cheer if they stiff you and they don't hang their heads if you win. It's all about the bottom line at the end of the year.

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claims

Date: Jun 28, 2008
Time: 02:31 PM

Dear Andres3, Your experience is not unique at all. Infact I believe it is the norm with insurance companies. I personally was in a bad auto accident in 1998. I was not at fault. Not only was our vehicle totaled, my left arm was so mangled they nearly amputated it. The EMT's said it was the worst arm they had ever seen on "an alive person". The boy that caused the accident had State Farm Insurance. When State Farm adjusted the claim they were willing to pay us 80% of the wholesale price of our vehicle. The amount of money they offered would have bought us a vehicle that was 5 years older than the one we had. We got many vehicle estimates for State Farm to review but they did not care. We had to spend countless hours fighting this claim amount. Finally after 13 months they paid us. During the 13 months we experienced total indifference and the run around from all the employees we contacted at State Farm. Another experience we had was in relation to our own insurance company that insured our vehicle-Travelers Insurance. Since the boy that hit me only was insurred for $25,000 property damage and $25,000 bodily injury coverage we had to file a "under insured" claim for my medical bills with Travelers Insurance. Our auto policy with Travelers had $100,000 under insured coverage. My medical bills on my arm were in excess of $200,000.Travelers Insurance paid us the $100,000 and then promptly canceled us. I guess the fact that we had purchased insurance from them for many years with no claims did not matter to them. Insurance companies are in the business of collecting premiums and paying out on claims as little as possible. There is a new term I heard which describes their tactics. It is called "slow walking". They delay and deny claims long enough knowing that some claimants will not purse their claims and others will get tired and accept what the insurance company is offering them even though the amount is not enough. The real joke is their advertising which tells all of us that they will treat us fairly and promptly pay us the amount it will take to make us "whole" again.

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rearwheeldrive

Date: Jun 28, 2008
Time: 03:40 PM

Id turn them into the insurance commissioner of the state.

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