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  • MrShift@Edmunds 10/02/10 10:38 pm PST

    Well you could probably buy that car new for $2000 more, and also the dealer gets $1500 marketing support incentive on a new C30 car sale, which could be passed onto you. So actually, it might be possible for you to get a comparable new car for $500 more than you're paying for this one.


    Of course, the dealer doesn't HAVE to give you that $1500, but he might.

    I know you're thinking "it's so convenient" this way, and you're right, and time might be more valuable to you than money, but I'm thinking that if you sold the Audi privately, and bargained with this or another dealer on a new C30, and got that $1500 incentive, you could end up with a new C30 for LESS than you're paying for the used one.

    Is it a good deal? Not particularly, but it's not bad, and it is convenient for you. I guess the question is, how much are 7,000 miles worth to you and how much are you compromising on color and options rather than ordering exactly what you want?


  • morin2 10/03/10 8:20 am PST

    I like the dispassionate and analytical approach that you are taking. I agree with Mr. Shiftright that its not a great deal but also not a terrible deal. I think these in-between types of deals are great opportunities to play some hardball and work on your negotiation skills. Like anything else, negotiation requires practice and constant adaptation to rapidly changing situations. This deal is good enough to retain some interest but not so good that you should lose any sleep over it if you walk away.

    Keep in mind that your Quattro will be an easy private sale with winter coming if you are located where snow can be expected. It might even be a good candidate for a "winter car".

    You learn to recognize a great deal and jump on it with no hesitation. You learn to recognize a bad deal and stay far away. Most fall between the two and are opportunities for negotiation. They are all valuable learning experiences. If you fail to reach a deal, so what, your Audi is still running and has basically fully depreciated with those miles. It won't be worth much less if it takes another 10K miles before you find the perfect C30 deal - and by then, you'll recognize it as so good that you won't even need to post here to ask if its a good deal - because you'll be so confident of its pricing-value.

    Good luck.

  • MrShift@Edmunds 10/03/10 12:16 pm PST

    You cannot successfully negotiate if you are not prepared, at the drop of a hat, to get up and walk away. If you are "sticky" to the car, the dealer will sense this as sure as a wolf sniffs a lamb chop.

  • 04350 10/03/10 2:56 pm PST

    I'd want to clarify in writing if this Volvo dealer is extending the mfg's warranty by 7,000 miles
    before you sign. Of course, if the dealer would happen to go out of the Volvo business before the end of the extended warranty, a moot point.

  • morin2 10/03/10 5:53 pm PST

    I love the metaphor by Mr. Shiftright of the wolf sniffing a lamb chop. That's why I think a deal that you can easily walk away from is one on which to hone your negotiating skills. You can truly walk away, taking what you've learned, and never look back. I've walked away from lots of deals - its a used tool afterall. The ones I have negotiated to my advantage have left the dealer with the feeling that I have done him a favor by taking the car off his hands at my price. Because it has some fatal flaw like lack of power steering or lack of an extra gear or its the wrong color, I want him to know that I'm the only person foolish enough to consider buying this car. How lucky he is that I managed to walk in and take it off his hands at thousands under his asking price - which was obviously a mistake!

    Every deal is so different and each has lessons worth learning.

  • isellhondas 10/05/10 1:04 pm PST

    I have no idea if that Volvo deal is a good one or not.

    Selling a 154,000 mile Audi on your own is not going to be easy. They aren't known for trouble free lives as the miles pile on and they are very expensive to fix.

    Prospective buyers are well aware of this and they would probably insist on taking it to a mechanic. Some picky guy named "Klaus" could very easilly compile a large laundry list of things that "need" to be be fixed.

    Seriously, that is a good car to trade in and you may get a sales tax credit depening on the state you live in.

  • vovlowannabe 10/05/10 9:33 pm PST

    I really appreciate the answers I received to my question. Thank you all...your feedback helped in my decision-making process.

    I ended up negotiating with the owner of the dealership rather than trying to work through the sales manager. It resulted in a lower price and I got the floor mats that the sales manager said weren't included (because it was a "used" loaner car). Why do some sales people feel the need to resort to these types of tactics? Without him in the picture, my follow up experience was much better. I think I walked away with a pretty good deal and a really nice car.

    It was tough saying goodbye to my Audi. It's been a great car for the past 6 years...but I think it was time to retire it - before I had to put some serious money into it.

    Thanks again for everyone's help. This is a great forum!

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